Jam Clinic study #1 - Page 8

Mr. G. · 07-03-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rustee

Alrighty folks, I think I'm calling it done. It's not perfect, but it doesn't need to be. It was fun, and I actually like listening to it, so I guess that's what matters.

Inharmonic Solo

That was awesome Rustee!!!

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Originally Posted by nirvana9102

i feel as that creating parts to tracks is up to the adults on this site.

That statement couldn't be further from the truth. The Jam Clinic is for EVERYONE.

Akira · 07-03-2009, 01:40 PM

I have some ideas for this. If I get time i'll get some stuff recorded.

Love Rustee's take; beautiful.

Rustee · 07-03-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. G.

The Jam Clinic is for EVERYONE.

Yes, definitely. In fact, questions from, and assistance to those encountering difficulty are even more welcome than an awesome solo.

The process I use with most of my solos is to first forget about the lead altogether and learn the rhythm and any melodic lines already there inside and out. That's why I recorded the ending slide part first - it's an exact mirroring of Schmange's melody. From there you can play along with the rhythm and just add a note here and there in the offbeats, rests, and before the chord changes. Also, try playing the chords in several positions and inversions. Going through that a few times, you'll get familiar with the progression in different areas of the neck. My simple intro up to the first rest does exactly this, by focusing on the complementary root notes and then the 5th and higher octave - it's essentially working through the rhythm's power chords with individual notes. I later incorporated more licks and such, but tried not to stray too far from the melodic home, and hopefully that is reflected at times. That's my approach anyways.

Thanks again everyone. I am actually quite pleased with it myself. I look forward to hearing others.

Silimtao · 07-03-2009, 04:08 PM

Morning folks. I haven't listened to Rustee's take as of yet. I did, however listen to Smitch's once from work on my cheesy desktop speakers, but can't say it was a fair listen due to having the volume down so low- so I'll withhold comment on Smitch's take for now.

I've decided I'm not going to listen to anyone's until I believe I have a "final"- possibly subject to change from forum members' comments. I'm still deciding whether to keep it "busy", or change it up. Right now, I'm trying to capture the tone in my first take, which I have a problem in doing. I'd appreciate any comments on my first take from those that haven't listened to it. I'm open to any and all comments- hearing it "kicks ass" is fine, but if someone thinks I should pull back on an effect or add one, of course I'd like to hear that. In the end, I know what I do is my decision. I was kinda hoping this is what the Jam Clinic would be about- trading different ideas, etc. Since this isn't a competition, I don't see why there can't be multiple takes. Once I feel I have something I can work with and tweak, I'll give the others a listen. There's nothing worse than listening to someone else's work, and consciously or unconsciously borrowing from it (I think we all do it to some degree on an unconscious level from our influences, and I'm very susceptible to being influenced by the last thing I heard.) For now, I think I may work on the main theme I started with, and tweak it. If my first take weren't so overdriven and muddy, I think I'd say, alright, this is it- my early takes are normally by best, for good or bad- over time, I get too messed up with the possibilities. Looking forward to listening to the takes of others! To those that haven't submitted anything, this is not a competition! I think we are all mutually supportive, and hopefully we can all learn from each other. This is what this is all about, imo. For those that are shy, or afraid to submit anything, I say, DON'T BE! No one is going to say, "you suck!"- I certainly hope not. I'd personally neg rep anyone who does. This is a learning process for everyone, imo- from experienced players to newbies. Everyone has something to offer in varying degrees, and, imo, you're never too old to learn something new. We can only learn something new by exchanging ideas, comments and stuff. Just enjoy doing it!

The Smitchens · 07-03-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Silimtao

For those that are shy, or afraid to submit anything, I say, DON'T BE! No one is going to say, "you suck!"- I certainly hope not. I'd personally neg rep anyone who does. This is a learning process for everyone, imo- from experienced players to newbies. Everyone has something to offer in varying degrees, and, imo, you're never too old to learn something new. We can only learn something new by exchanging ideas, comments and stuff. Just enjoy doing it!

Well put sir. It's all about learning new tricks and creating music and most of all having fun. Hell, I think I may make another take too. This time I'll purposefully play out of key just to see how repulsive I can get it to sound... maybe.

But yeah, a hearty +1 to you for making a good statement. Enjoy it. Relish in its succulent, lush little green square.

Rustee · 07-03-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Silimtao

I've decided I'm not going to listen to anyone's until I believe I have a "final"- possibly subject to change from forum members' comments. I'm still deciding whether to keep it "busy", or change it up. Right now, I'm trying to capture the tone in my first take, which I have a problem in doing. I'd appreciate any comments on my first take from those that haven't listened to it.

Yep, I usually don't listen to takes before I do mine either for that reason.
With your first take, I'm pretty much with Smitch - there were some cool lines in there, but it was hard to hear. But I would certainly stick with the delay - I did. Tone-wise it could be wide open though, that's up to you. My first thought was a clean tone actually, even though I didn't go with one.

Regarding the approach to playing, it might be worth it to try what I did (which goes for any other subsequent attempts by others as well) - to put a capo on the 1st fret. Not only do you get that A# as an open string but the open 6th, 2nd, and 1st strings (F, C, and F respectively) are all within the key as well. You can get some cool open-string pull-offs and/or 12th fret (or elsewhere) harmonics.

Hehe...make that 13th fret harmonics. You know what I meant.

calgary1 · 07-03-2009, 05:38 PM

Great job Rustee, interesting use of delay, and of course your tone was excellent for the track. It was not overplayed at all and you really took into consideration that which was muscially going on around you.

Silimtao · 07-03-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rustee

Yep, I usually don't listen to takes before I do mine either for that reason.
With your first take, I'm pretty much with Smitch - there were some cool lines in there, but it was hard to hear. But I would certainly stick with the delay - I did. Tone-wise it could be wide open though, that's up to you. My first thought was a clean tone actually, even though I didn't go with one.

Regarding the approach to playing, it might be worth it to try what I did (which goes for any other subsequent attempts by others as well) - to put a capo on the 1st fret. Not only do you get that A# as an open string but the open 6th, 2nd, and 1st strings (F, C, and F respectively) are all within the key as well. You can get some cool open-string pull-offs and/or 12th fret (or elsewhere) harmonics.

Hehe...make that 13th fret harmonics. You know what I meant.

Y'know, I was thinking of capo-ing at the 10th fret, but that woulda limited me with the lower notes. Was entertaining the thought of doing the thing in pieces, but I'm of the opinion of doing things in one complete take (no diss on anyone that does things in parts)- I may think of doing that in the future, but I have to learn my recording software better. Audacity works well for me, for its simplicity- but Tracktion is pretty cool, I just hate wading through the giganto manual.

Anyway, this is a remix of my original take- luckily (or not) I saved the project in Audacity, deleted Kevin's bt, then pasted a "clean" copy of it back in- if only to hear better his bt. I don't have time right now to attempt another recording, but for now, I'm kinda sticking to the same theme- it does sound a bit too busy, but whatever. The solo is still overdriven, and there was little I could do about that, except to bring the level down a bit- I really don't know what it's going to sound like on anyone else's computer- when I play it through my pc speakers, it sounds totally different to headphones. If you're playing it through speakers, for me at least, I have to crank it up, AND STAND BACK, lol. The riffs are sounding redundant to me though. Anyway, here's the remix, fwiw. I also included another take that I deleted from another post- but in keeping with what I said earlier- I'm putting it up for anyone who cares to listen learn from it, or take from it what you can. I personally think it sucks- a Tele is NOT what this track calls for- or I just couldn't tweak it properly- but it sounds "clean," as I recorded it in Traction, so no overdriven sound.

remix: SoundClick artist: Silimtao - page with MP3 music downloads

another take: SoundClick artist: Silimtao - page with MP3 music downloads (dunno why I put a flanger in there; was experimenting.)

Thanks for input. Oh, the titles mean nothing right now- I went through a million tweaks and had to name them something just so I wouldn't get confused after the mix-down.

Silimtao · 07-03-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Smitchens

Well put sir. It's all about learning new tricks and creating music and most of all having fun. Hell, I think I may make another take too. This time I'll purposefully play out of key just to see how repulsive I can get it to sound... maybe.

But yeah, a hearty +1 to you for making a good statement. Enjoy it. Relish in its succulent, lush little green square.

Thanks, Smeetch. I'm anxious to hear yours properly, and others as well. But I'm still working on mine. Just the recording part is a big learning exerience for me, and applying plug-ins and stuff.

Mebbe my next take will be totally different, never know, but this is as close I can get to jamming and talking to other players as I can get for now. I wish I could just sit for 10 uninterrupted hrs. As it is, I spent the last couple hrs. just trying to remix my original. Just the recording part is a bitch of a learning experience for me, but I gotta learn sooner or later.

Mr. G. · 07-03-2009, 07:34 PM

As much trouble as I'm having with it, I don't plan to give up until I have something to post. I'll have to figure out how to upload to soundclick again, ha ha. Damn it's been a long time since I've done any of this!

I'll most likely do it in pieces. That seemed to work really well for me with the last track I played lead over. Tonja also gave me some inspiration for something to do with it, so that should help get me started.

07-03-2009, 04:08 PM	#74 (permalink)
Silimtao Super Model Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: here Posts: 10,686	Morning folks. I haven't listened to Rustee's take as of yet. I did, however listen to Smitch's once from work on my cheesy desktop speakers, but can't say it was a fair listen due to having the volume down so low- so I'll withhold comment on Smitch's take for now. I've decided I'm not going to listen to anyone's until I believe I have a "final"- possibly subject to change from forum members' comments. I'm still deciding whether to keep it "busy", or change it up. Right now, I'm trying to capture the tone in my first take, which I have a problem in doing. I'd appreciate any comments on my first take from those that haven't listened to it. I'm open to any and all comments- hearing it "kicks ass" is fine, but if someone thinks I should pull back on an effect or add one, of course I'd like to hear that. In the end, I know what I do is my decision. I was kinda hoping this is what the Jam Clinic would be about- trading different ideas, etc. Since this isn't a competition, I don't see why there can't be multiple takes. Once I feel I have something I can work with and tweak, I'll give the others a listen. There's nothing worse than listening to someone else's work, and consciously or unconsciously borrowing from it (I think we all do it to some degree on an unconscious level from our influences, and I'm very susceptible to being influenced by the last thing I heard.) For now, I think I may work on the main theme I started with, and tweak it. If my first take weren't so overdriven and muddy, I think I'd say, alright, this is it- my early takes are normally by best, for good or bad- over time, I get too messed up with the possibilities. Looking forward to listening to the takes of others! To those that haven't submitted anything, this is not a competition! I think we are all mutually supportive, and hopefully we can all learn from each other. This is what this is all about, imo. For those that are shy, or afraid to submit anything, I say, DON'T BE! No one is going to say, "you suck!"- I certainly hope not. I'd personally neg rep anyone who does. This is a learning process for everyone, imo- from experienced players to newbies. Everyone has something to offer in varying degrees, and, imo, you're never too old to learn something new. We can only learn something new by exchanging ideas, comments and stuff. Just enjoy doing it! __________________ Instant Karma's gonna get you...... If you don't know where you're going, you will probably end up somewhere else. <http://www.xcomment.com/g3/img/poster___boobs052708113237.gif>

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Mr. G. Commander-in-Chief Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 5,107	As much trouble as I'm having with it, I don't plan to give up until I have something to post. I'll have to figure out how to upload to soundclick again, ha ha. Damn it's been a long time since I've done any of this! I'll most likely do it in pieces. That seemed to work really well for me with the last track I played lead over. Tonja also gave me some inspiration for something to do with it, so that should help get me started. __________________ SQUIRREL!!!!!!!

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07-03-2009, 01:40 PM	#72 (permalink)
Akira is that guy... Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Posts: 776	I have some ideas for this. If I get time i'll get some stuff recorded. Love Rustee's take; beautiful.

07-03-2009, 05:38 PM	#77 (permalink)
calgary1 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,390	Great job Rustee, interesting use of delay, and of course your tone was excellent for the track. It was not overplayed at all and you really took into consideration that which was muscially going on around you.