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Old 06-25-2017, 10:48 PM   #21
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Something for tube purists to think about: Who here with a tube amp doesn't have a dirt pedal, among others? Eric Johnson uses a DD-2 digital delay along with 20 other pedals.

So what's the difference in having all these effects externally and SS with onboard modeling? The biggest difference between the 2 that I can think of, is the nature of distortion in the two. Distortion on SS is thought of as "harsh," while distortion on tubes is considered "organic," but that's all subjective.

/The whole, "most people use tube" isn't proof of anything. It's simply a convention that's become popular. Prior to...possibly Ray(?) Davies slicing his speaker cone, distortion was once thought of as a horrible sound. Prior to guitar amplification, no one used what didn't exist.
Good comments, IMO.

There are also amps, such as H&K and Engl, which have tube pre and powers amps but also SS, and whether you should call them tube amps is moot. Both mine are tube (one is an H&K), and I use them clean plus pedals, including OD. I've had them a long time, but if I was buying now I would be seriously considering a good quality minimalist SS amp for weight saving and overall convenience.

QUESTION. Do any tube amps use a power inverter instead of a transformer? I just thought of this because my new inverter type microwave is a lot lighter than the old transformer version.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:31 PM   #22
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Yeah, although my Line 6 Flextone II XL was probably the heaviest amp I ever owned, even heavier than my current Marshall 2 x 12 tube amp and the floorboard was as big as my pedalboard. But you ain't wrong about the ease of carting a modelling amp with built in fx. Plus the fact that in the heat of battle, when you're up to your ears in muck & bullets, in a crowded room with poor acoustics and with a crowd who really don't care a toss about your guitar tone it could be argued that any differences in tone really don't matter
To most of the people listening, sure, but I find that feel of an instrument and how good I sound has an impact on how I play & how enthusiastic I am.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:35 PM   #23
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To most of the people listening, sure, but I find that feel of an instrument and how good I sound has an impact on how I play & how enthusiastic I am.
It is the same for me. I find that room acoustics play more into this than my guitar rig though.
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Old 06-26-2017, 04:08 PM   #24
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To most of the people listening, sure, but I find that feel of an instrument and how good I sound has an impact on how I play & how enthusiastic I am.
Oh, I agree, entirely. To me it's the way playing through a valve amp feels that makes most of the difference. Valve amps just feel more transparent to me and more sensitive to playing dynamics. I would always play through a valve amp live, but I might take my little 5W Marshall if I was feeling lazy!
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Ive always felt that tube amps make you learn to play cleaner. That's always been my experience anyways.
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Oh, I agree, entirely. To me it's the way playing through a valve amp feels that makes most of the difference. Valve amps just feel more transparent to me and more sensitive to playing dynamics. I would always play through a valve amp live, but I might take my little 5W Marshall if I was feeling lazy!
Tubes rule!!
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Old 06-27-2017, 02:53 PM   #27
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SS is great if you want to play clean most of the time. BTW, here's an interesting article about distortion and its origins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distor...ied_distortion
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Old 07-01-2017, 11:48 AM   #28
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Tube amps are great but I prefer the maintenance free vetta 2 I currently use.
having played before that cover many genres,It can be a kerry king monster and at the touch of a switch...it can have that country twang.
If you can set up a modelling amp and have the knowlege on them..they can be serious contenders in the right hands.I would not rule out buying a valve amp for home use but I need versatility on the road...or rather...when I get back on the road
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Old 07-01-2017, 02:21 PM   #29
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I remember it was fashionable in the 80s to have a tube amp for distorted sounds and a SS for clean. The Roland JC120 was the SS weapon of choice for lots of players
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