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Budda · 02-19-2010, 05:28 AM

I think the use of A = 442 is common in Europe.

Clifford D · 02-19-2010, 01:06 PM

Martin Taylor, the great fingerstyle jazz player, tunes to 441 or 442, maybe it's 442
he says he hears a big difference, since he has perfect pitch he can hear the slight difference.

But why? Why does there need to be a difference across the pond?

The Smitchens · 02-19-2010, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clifford D

But why? Why does there need to be a difference across the pond?

Variety is the spice of life.

lespaulgb · 02-19-2010, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budda

I think the use of A = 442 is common in Europe.

I can't speak personally for Martin Taylor but I use A=440 for tuning. I'm pretty sure that's the generally accepted standard in Britain anyway.

Clifford D · 02-19-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lespaulgb

I can't speak personally for Martin Taylor but I use A=440 for tuning. I'm pretty sure that's the generally accepted standard in Britain anyway.

I would think that as well, but if I remember Martin Taylor said 442 sounds sweet.

Budda · 02-19-2010, 05:45 PM

I think that many feel a little "Sharp" will sound lively, while a little "Flatter" will sound dull(er).

I use that approach, when using old Strings. If they're not really holding Tune as well as they should, I opt for a little Sharper over Flatter.

Budda · 03-02-2010, 04:45 AM

I've always dug the Changes from "I Shot The Sheriff".

That Eb9 to D7#9 to Gm is GREAT!

Even a simple Gm Pentatonic will sound "Jazzy" with hip Changes like these.

jimmy peters · 03-02-2010, 05:10 PM

to clifford
we found that the audience or the band could not hear the difference, but they could feel it.
it gives a slight upper to your music, and when you are doing a high energy show anyway the combination of the 2 are a perfect marriage.
2 and 4 is a standard r&r rythm anyway.

jimmy

VikingBlues · 03-02-2010, 06:31 PM

[QUOTE\lespaulgb]I can't speak personally for Martin Taylor but I use A=440 for tuning. I'm pretty sure that's the generally accepted standard in Britain anyway. [/QUOTE]

Here's a link shows how 440 became standard in US and Europe but also shows how much variation there's been in the frequency of A and how much it continues to vary despite the standard.

History of Pitch - Tuning Forks A440 C523.3

You'll see at the end of the link a lot of concert halls in UK and Europe have two pianos in place - one tuned to 440 and one to 444.

I suppose bottom line is whatever "A" frequency makes your sound better why not use it. The use of a specific frequency is just as a reference point so that it's easier for different instruments to play in harmony.

Clifford D · 03-02-2010, 09:33 PM

The "out of phase" effect between the two tunings create a chorusing effect wouldn't it??

Pat Metheny does out of phase with two delays set at different speeds (a magic setting)
anyone know it??

03-02-2010, 05:10 PM	#28 (permalink)
jimmy peters Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: coquitlam,bc, can. Posts: 5,629	to clifford we found that the audience or the band could not hear the difference, but they could feel it. it gives a slight upper to your music, and when you are doing a high energy show anyway the combination of the 2 are a perfect marriage. 2 and 4 is a standard r&r rythm anyway. jimmy __________________ keep on picken and good luck jimmy peters--oldest fart

03-02-2010, 06:31 PM	#29 (permalink)
VikingBlues Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Berwick, Scotland Posts: 241	[QUOTE\lespaulgb]I can't speak personally for Martin Taylor but I use A=440 for tuning. I'm pretty sure that's the generally accepted standard in Britain anyway. [/QUOTE] Here's a link shows how 440 became standard in US and Europe but also shows how much variation there's been in the frequency of A and how much it continues to vary despite the standard. History of Pitch - Tuning Forks A440 C523.3 You'll see at the end of the link a lot of concert halls in UK and Europe have two pianos in place - one tuned to 440 and one to 444. I suppose bottom line is whatever "A" frequency makes your sound better why not use it. The use of a specific frequency is just as a reference point so that it's easier for different instruments to play in harmony. __________________ Trying to find the right tone before it's too late. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...bandID=1022506

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02-19-2010, 05:28 AM	#21 (permalink)
Budda Plank Spanker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 292	I think the use of A = 442 is common in Europe.

02-19-2010, 01:06 PM	#22 (permalink)
Clifford D Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 375	Martin Taylor, the great fingerstyle jazz player, tunes to 441 or 442, maybe it's 442 he says he hears a big difference, since he has perfect pitch he can hear the slight difference. But why? Why does there need to be a difference across the pond?

02-19-2010, 05:45 PM	#26 (permalink)
Budda Plank Spanker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 292	I think that many feel a little "Sharp" will sound lively, while a little "Flatter" will sound dull(er). I use that approach, when using old Strings. If they're not really holding Tune as well as they should, I opt for a little Sharper over Flatter.

03-02-2010, 04:45 AM	#27 (permalink)
Budda Plank Spanker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 292	I've always dug the Changes from "I Shot The Sheriff". That Eb9 to D7#9 to Gm is GREAT! Even a simple Gm Pentatonic will sound "Jazzy" with hip Changes like these.

03-02-2010, 09:33 PM	#30 (permalink)
Clifford D Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 375	The "out of phase" effect between the two tunings create a chorusing effect wouldn't it?? Pat Metheny does out of phase with two delays set at different speeds (a magic setting) anyone know it??